I keep hearing that attending NLP classes is a must if your gonna learn to use it efficiently. Is this the truth? I'd love to become proficient at NLP but I don't have that much money to invest in it. I can get books and CD's but I dunno if I can afford the classes. Could I at least get up to a beginner/amateur skill level by reading the books and listening to the CD's?

has anyone here ever used time line therapy and if so what
similarities and differences have you spotted between it and
regression therapy?

I have been trained in hypnoanalysis and regression by one course but
on a different course the trainer said the timeline therapy was
better because it was disasociated so the client does not have to go throught the trauma what do you think?

in hypnoanalysis the beleif is the the root cause is a segnificant emotional event wich is repressed normaly in childhood so if the client is not in a deep trance will the client only be working on surface level emotions?

from what i seen and read timeline therapy seems to be alot quicker at releasing emotions from the past then regression hypnoanalysis but does it clear up as much as regression or analysis?

there are a though timeline therapy demos here.

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Hello,

I have been interested in NLP for a long time and mainly use it for self improvement.

NLP is an amazing technology and I hope to learn more here!

Nick

Catholic Church - The Pope

I have'nt had a chance to read through all the posts for Business and Sales so apologies if I repeat something someone else has already written.
I have had a quick glance through them though and could find no reference to Robert Cialdini and his work on persuasion and influence.
Whilst not an NLP'er (as far as I know) he has done some tremendous work on finding out what influences people to make the decisions that they make. Much if it can be applied to business and sales (and just about every othe areaof your life).

I will start this by saying, " I am not anywhere as experianced as most of you and when it comes to NLP I am like a child with a new toy that I can't get enough of."

Yesterday for the first time I actualy "Used" NLP in a "real life" situation. I had been having some communication problems with my boss. So, I broke open my books a few weeks ago and began reminding my self of things forgotten. ( You don't use it you loose it) A couple days ago It dawned on me. " Bill is a tword/options/Global and you are Tword/Detail/Proactive No wonder you two don't understand each other!" So yesterday I went into his office to discuss a project that we both have been wanting to get off the ground for about 9 months now. I focused very close to his speech patterns and slowly began carefuly mirroring him verbaly and physicly. HOLY COW It was like the clouds parted and the angels began to sing. Once I began to explain my concerns about getting the project started.... You could see it in his tone of voice, body language, the manner in which he spoke to me. It was as if instantly it went from Boss to employee to we were peers.

Results: Found out today. Project kick off meeting with all terminal managers involved is in a week and a half.

And yes, NLP has been used to push the idea of anti-nomianism too.
Skim down past the economic specifics and English example of labour
unrest, to get to the meaning of what anti-nomianism is about. Of
course if you go back to ancient Rome you find the legions always on
the move, across a wide geographic expanse. You can military military
roots and intent in anti-nomianism in human history, congruent with
the more religious ideological bent. Anyway, yes,
NLP has been illicitly and wrongfully used to push, convince of, the
rightness of an anti-nomian idea that has deep roots in the Puritan
fundamentalist right wing religious tradition of America.


THE INJUSTICES OF ECONOMIC UPROOTEDNESS

ENGLAND’S PROBLEM WITH IMMIGRANT LABOR: ENDING UPROOTEDNESS

The problem of immigrant, migrant, and foreign contract labor is
relatively easily solved, but it would take significant changes in
legislation. England’s recent dispute concerning foreign workers
taking work away from local people is a case in point, illustrative of
the problem and suggesting a solution.

There should be a law that requires an offer of opportunity to those
who are citizens and landed immigrants of the nation first. In England
it would be England first, then the UK, then the Commonwealth, then
the EU, in that order of priority. Each step would be taken only if
the offered rate is rejected, determined on the basis of all bids, and
consistent with labour laws in the contracting region where the work
is to be performed. Each contractor should be required to conform in
the same way. In fact it should be taken further so that persons
living within reasonable commute from the place of work would have to
be given first priority ahead of those living outside that geographic
range. Usually that is one to two hours maximum travel time,
regardless of the means of travel.

Obviously that places political relations and obligations in
precedence and priority order in regard to opportunities. Immigration
of new workers would only be allowed when all other priorities are
exhausted and precedence would again be given to immigration according
to the priority sequence.

Of course this leads to greater stability, and far less tendency to
upheaval, which is socially, psychologically, and economically
inappropriate and at least potentially damaging to those who are
otherwise forced to endure it. As is unemployment also a source of
similar damage to lives affected by it. Deliberate tendencies towards
attempting forcing of geographic upheaval of individual and family
lives, is a sadistic, unacceptably violent practice. There is a large
body of science supporting that claim, stretching across a vast period
of time, and one needs only to be cognizant of the relevant
sociological, economic and psychological research pertaining to that
subject to understand how extremely wrong and utterly socially unjust
it really is. Where it is in any way avoidable it should and must be
avoided.

Furthermore, the sadistic practices of upheaval are in fact rooted in
religious tradition, not in scientific rational understanding. It has
long been believed by some that it is an ideological necessity and
right, within the religious framework that they function within, to
uproot, upheave, and disown, those who have settled lives, possessions
and local homes, on the basis of religious teachings that those who
hold to them argue demand impositions of loss, letting go, breaking
loose from establishing, and upheaval from rootedness. This trend is
part of what is called anti-nomianism and is prevalent in some forms
of religious fundamentalism, particularly as practiced in the United
States of America. In essence anti-nomianism in religion means a
condition of homelessness, or temporary sojourn without real home, in
the world. Of course there are those who simply profit from that
practice and support it for their own economic greed and profit,
rather than for religious motives, but the scenario is mixed, and not
unique to the USA. In anti-nomian religiosity there is a belief that
the breaking loose from homes, things, social relations, opens people
to religious ideas, as they are stripped of all other connectedness
and attachment to their social and material situatedness. So the anti-
nomian thrust becomes a violent weapon both attacking those outside
the system of beliefs with upheaval, and believing that that attack is
an effective means to facilitating conversion, both by means of fear
of that attack and by means of the effects of disconnection,
dispossession and uprooting. This has also led to the very short term
hire and terminate customary practice prevalent in some cases in
America, of foreign workers, on short term contracts, giving them
nothing more than a bus ticket back to where they disinvested and
disconnected from homes, posessions and social relations. Most often
the influences of the American fundamentalist, “religious right”,
found under the surface of such otherwise poorly or utterly
unjustified actions.

Legitimate sciences on the subject, speak clearly against that, and
can clearly prove the damage to society, individuals and families that
comes from those types of ideas. In fact studies of work can be made
to clearly prove that quality of work, and competence, suffers from
such upheavals, and is not facilitated by the social, psychological
and economic stressors involved in them. In other words, it is not
really good for corporate, for business, and it is not at all good for
people. For those with extended family, and networks of social
interconnection, that sometimes take generations to build, it is
particularly destructive, with immense negative consequences. In fact
we can see that societies that fall into such practices suffer a
rising spiral of social violence, suicides, and personality disorders,
as well as pervasive and widespread apathy and alienation.
Community is not built quickly and in a society of anticipated
upheaval it is not really built at all. When people are taught to
expect others to routinely leave, beginnings are regularly endings in
anticipation of impending loss, based on prevalent habituated patterns
of expectation. This is extremely damaging to many forms of economic
and social enterprise, having immense negative economic impact.
Particularly in the area of fledgling, new, enterprises and
entrepreneurial innovation.

Consider also the potentially lost investment, in material and labor
of effort, terms, when establishing a home in one place, means being
uprooted to move on to another place, without continuity of effort.
Any type of real home takes time, effort and some investment of money,
to establish. Sometimes that takes many years to achieve, on limited
and erratic incomes in a society where the economy is typically
unstable and often unpredictable. The limited span of a typical
lifetime cannot afford that type of upheaval and its costs, even apart
from the other stressors and the social, mental, and physical health
damage that potentially does occur. A good example is the many years
it takes to make, establish, and bring to maturity a good garden. It
takes effort, time and some money. It cannot be done again, and again
and again in one person’s lifetime. Twice is difficult, and three
times is perhaps impossible. Traumatizing people with loss due to
excessive change is clearly wrong, and causing them to lose their
investment in creating homes is part of that wrong. We must recognize
that lifetimes are very limited and the enjoyment of life requires a
greater degree of continuity and establishing, not upheaval.

We might note that in the USSR (Russia), China, and other “anti
American” nations relocation required a government approval, a permit,
before it could be accomplished. It had to be justified by real need.
It was discouraged as a common and “normal” practice. It was the
exception to the rule, not allowed to become a more usual demand. Now
we see significant deterioration in societies affected by the American
model of social and economic migrancy, with all manner of social ills
increasing in nations that did not suffer some of those, and at least
not to that level of severity, prior to their Americanization.

Robert Morpheal

Hello, I have been interested in NLP ever since reading The introduction to NLP some years ago. I have tried to utilize as much as possible. I do get frustrated when dealing with people who do not understand any part of NLP even after I have explained it. I guess the eyes see what the mind is prepared to comprehend.

hello everybody, i'm new around here and i've been learning to apply nlp in my own life, however i'm interested in applying it to other people. I read in a post about sliding anchors that you can anchor something like laughter to a glass. then as you push it closer to another person their state becomes more intense. Would somebody be willing to tell me how they would go about anchoring somebody to an object. For instance laughter to a glass. thank you

Hello everyone,

I'd never really come across NLP until last week...

The company that I work for brought in a NLP practitioner to talk to our team - she got us to think about our own 'personal branding' before looking at the brand of our company.

We went through some interesting techniques which were really fascinating. Through this session alone I think I learnt more about myself and my team members than ever!

I bought a book about NLP at the weekend, and now I'm hooked...

How did everyone else come across NLP?

Be interested to hear your stories ;)

Leila

Hey all

I'm Lloyd - that shouldn't be too hard to spot ;)

I'm based in Dubai, I'm originally South African and I have used NLP extensively on myself, and in my personal and professional life. I lack formal training, though that hasn't seemed to be a hindrance.

I had a good community of NLP'ers around me, we had a lot of fun and used to do outrageous things sometimes - which were great learning experiences and the source of so many good times. It's a life-changing tool, and wonderful way to live. My interest this year is gaining a qualification in Ericksonian model hypnotherapy (largely out of curiosity), and (maybe) formally attending a practitioner course. A priority is improving on my NLP for business.

If there are any NLP'ers in Dubai I am looking forward to meeting new people and making new friends, and practising. Please do get in touch with me, I'll definitely make the effort to meet up.

Lloyd

Hello all,

Pleased to meet you all and sorry now for the questions I will fire out......

I am totally new to NLP and have no experience. I have just found it the internet and would like to learn more.
I hope that through this I would be able to improve myself...but let’s see how I get on.

Firstly I would really appreciate it if someone could recommend a couple of books, just so I can understand more before starting any courses.

Thanks for the help
Stigga

Hi everyone,

As a coach who has been working with clients for a couple of years now I came across the following resource a short while ago.

I have downloaded the free report that were on offer, and have tailored them to suit my needs. In fact, I now use them to attract clients and also to give away as interesting information to clients. I don't know an awful lot about the company that is producing these reports, all I can say is I have found them very interesting and helpful indeed.

To access them just go to Free Coaching Reports! - coaching-reports.com.

Happy reading :)

Thanks
Akumar

Finally, people I can talk to without getting odd looks when I mention "pattern interrupts" and "7 +/- 2 chunking" lol.

I am a Master Practitioner of 4 years. My specialties are relationships and "magic" tricks lol. We have very cool tools at our disposal, and I believe using them for amusement and joy is the best way to let others know we have near super-human capabilities lol. <-- that statement should give the meta-monsters something to chew on ;)

I'm interested in partnering-up here in Jacksonville, FL, further developing my skills, and perhaps even running some seminars on special topics of NLP. I like developing the uses of NLP to individual circumstances, "on the fly", if you will.

I recently used my NLP skills to get a second job, at better-than-average starting pay (yes, it's ethical, the ecology checks out), in the supposedly "worst economy ever reported to be as bad as it is by the news media" LOL.

NO failure, only feedback, have fun!

Hi guys

I've been playing with NLp and hypno-based pick-up technqiues for a few months now and enjoying myself a lot. I have an intention to teach some techniques later in the year, and what interests me is introducing some ethics into PUA teaching....

In my relationships with women, I aim to leave women in the same or a better palce than when I met them.

The ways I've found to do that, is by being really honest about relationship expectations, making them feel good about themselves, and when it's time to move on, making sure they feel it was their decision too.

i's like to bring in the idea of an ecology check into hook ups...

Some thoughts for PUAs are to ask themselves:

* Does your outcome match the woman's?
* Are your highervalues met by this encounter?
* Imagine yourself the next morning / next week - how do you feel about the encounter? How could you feel better?

Any thoughts on this topic wouldbe greatly appraciated as I only have sketchy thoghts so far and haven't don any real process thinking on this...

Thanks

Viv

Hello fine NLPers,

I was 'just' wondering how people get started as practising practitioners out there in the big, wide world - and are there any other fields that hire NLP-enabled staff? My subconscious is hollering at me to make this into a full-time vocation - I have just been made redundant and this is the time to do it, but how? Apparently, some therapy courses include how to set up in business, but not the ones I attended (Bandler / La Valle / McKenna).

I have the necessary Master Practitioner certificate, so I just need some pointers as to where to go from here... any advice will be warmly received and appreciated!

Thanks,
Jon

In 1985 Richard Bandler published the book "Using your brain for a change". A series of transcripts that changed the way many people thought about the way the mind works, how it encodes information and how people can make profound changes in their lives with ease.

It's now 2009 and Richard Bandler is making his way onto the stage at the Dreams Hotel, Puerto Vallarta Mexico. As the rock music plays, the crowd stands to applaud the creative genius behind the technology known as NLP. This is "Using A Lot More Of Your Brain For A Change" with Richard Bandler, Gabe Guerrero and special guest, Eric Robbie.

Arriving at the Dreams hotel after a loooong flight from the UK via Dallas Texas, we're immediately greeted by the sand. The hotel is situated directly on the beach and I'm excited about going for a swim in the ocean when the morning arrives. I check in and the gentleman at the desk informs me that; "There are 5 restaurants, 2 swimming pools, an Internet cafe...and....24 hour room service all inclusive..and oh, there are just 2 things that you'll have to pay for if you want them....The lobster and bottles of wine".

I enter the room in which the next 7 nights will be spent sleeping and waking and as the door clicks open....the sunlight from outside hits me and my eyes immediately defocus. For just a moment or two, everything's a blur and as my eyes start to refocus again, the ocean comes into view through the large double door windows on the far side of the room. I have a single room but as I look at the super kingsize bed, the long stretching room and the mini bar in the corner, I start to wonder just how big the double rooms must be.

Our first full day in Mexico is spent soaking up the sun whilst drinking piña colada and having flown here with the amazing Eric Robbie, we sit on the beach soaking up not only the intense Mexican sun but also the stories and mental tasks of a master at work. We're glad we arrived a day early and as Eric, Chris and I strole out for dinner, we know the next day is going to be something special.

As I lay down to sleep, I remember that come 6am "the ninja", a shaman from Mexico who's spent more than 10 years in the monasteries with the monks, traveling with the gurus, studying with the shaman of the world and now, for one week, he's here in Mexico to teach those of us who are interested about the magical ways in which the world and it's elements work. Remembering to meet him on the beach for 6am I set my alarm and drift off listening to the sound of the waves crash onto the shore just meters from me.

When I arrive at the training course for the first day I'm handed a name badge and as I look down at it, I'm reminded of all those other courses I've been on and how reading the name on this badge in front of me now is only an indication of who I was before the end of this course. I step into the room where for the next 5 days, something magical is about to occur.

Richard is first up on the stage and as he starts to talk, part of me wants to track what's he's doing, what he's saying, how he's saying it and what sequence everything is happening in. Another part of me starts to melt into the chair as Richard talks about making good decisions with hypnotic tones in his voice. Looking up I notice that Richard isn't the only one on the stage because just to his side are two of Mexico's finest Musicians and NLPers, Omar Fuentes Soto and Gasu. I've been to many training courses before but this isn't just a guy on a stage telling stories, this is an orchestra of sound being used to take us in and out of different states and before I know it, It's time to grab a partner and begin the first exercise.

As we drift through into the afternoon I almost forget that what's about to come. Returning to the slightly cooled seminar room for the afternoon session after a sumptuous lunch in the Oceana restaurant, I remember who's about to take the stage. As one of the few people that Richard Bandler truly recognises as being a genius in his own right, Gabe Guerrero steps up onto the stage with a roarous applause. Having trained with Gabe before both in Mexico and in London, I realise that many of the non Mexican participants of the course may not have seen Gabe at work before and some of them are wondering, just how can anyone take the stage after Richard Bandler and create even more magic than they expected. As Gabe begins to talk and peoples eyes light up, I'm reminded of why I spend so much time training with Gabe. There's something special going on not only between Gabe and his audience but between each and every part of what makes the way he teaches so magical. The musicians are playing and not only are we learning through metaphor and unconscious installations of certain beliefs, concepts and a structures, but Gabe is explicitly teaching us about what's he's doing and how he's doing it, how to create lasting change and how to understand and predict the way human behaviour works and operates.

Learning from Gabe is not only an experience in watching a master at work but also a chance for many of the unconscious learnings from many other places to now become conscious so that we can understand them, fine tune them and take what we know, what we don't know, what we're about to know and what we didn't know we didn't know, to the next level.

As evening approaches we're once again on the beach watching the sun set behind the majestically horizon as the boats sail on the edge of the ocean, and I sit back in awe with old friends and new friends, I'm thankful that I made a great decision and that I'm spending time with people who I can laugh with, talk with, learn from and teach.

It's the middle of the course and as lunch approaches we're told that there's a special treat being prepared for the afternoon. It's a tiny secret and everyone is excited and as one of those who knows what's about to come, I enjoy the feverish excitement of those anticipating the brilliance that's about to unfold in front of their very eyes in the afternoon session.

We enter the room and excitedly take our seats, Gabe announces that neither he nor Richard will be taking us for the next few hours. Stepping onto the stage, beaming with energy and looking out over the room with a twinkle in his eye is the man himself, Eric Robbie.

Having been on tour with Richard for many years and as the UKs most senior NLP trainer, Eric begins to talk and the room goes silent. This is the kind of silence where not only is no-one speaking on the outside but something on the inside has stopped to listen too. Eric teaches us about the different types of internal dialog that people have and shows us how, just by looking and paying attention, you can begin to notice whether they're receiting, remembering, debating, scripting, wondering and more. We get into groups of 3 and head down to the beach to try out some of what Eric has been teaching us and not only are people surprised at how easily they can do this, they're excited and discussing different ways these learnings can be applied in the real world.

In 2 hours we've learned more about sensory acuity than many learn after years of training and as Eric leaves the stage this time around, I can't help but feel a sense of pride and admiration for a man who's created so much of what we take for granted in NLP. I start to think forward to the next time I'll be watching him up on the stage and as Eric smiles I know that many more will be joining him for his next training event.

As the days drift on and our understanding of how the human mind works increases, I start to look back on the various stories that Richard, Gabe and Eric told us throughout the seminar and I begin to piece together some of the different teachings and noticing some of the different structures that were used throughout the seminar.

Sitting in the seminar room on one of the last days, the lights suddenly go out. A voice comes on over the PA system and I recognise it as being Gabes and as he begins to talk and we sit in wonder, the music slowly begins to come in, quietly at first and gradually increasing with every word. Then a light comes on over the back of the room and a flame stands on the stage lighting up the eyes of everyone who watches. Then a second light, a third and a fourth. As I listen to the music and watch the different breams of light flowing through the room, I listen to Gabe talking and something inside me begins to shift. The magic of the light and sound show takes everyone into awe and the more we listen and the more we see, the more intense the feelings become. I look around the room and as the spotlight moves from person to person I start to see just how excited yet relaxed everyone is. I start to focus on one of the lights on the wall that's projecting a 3D sphere and as I watch, I start to go inside and things that didn't make sense before start to slot into place. Now I realise just how magical this experience is and how the perfect sign-off to a course being held in the most perfect of places is just the start of so much more to come.

Checking out of the hotel I take one last glance back at the ocean crashing up onto the sandy shore and I smile. I know i'll be back, the only question is when. In a place where all the food is free, all the drinks keep coming and the most amazing of experiences is to be had, sometimes the lobster and wine is worth paying for.

In 1985 Richard Bandler put his mark on the world with his book "Using your brain for a change". Now in 2009 and on into the future we can all look forward to using a lot more of our brains for a change.

Jamie

Source: Using a lot more of your brain for a change | Warmth on the soul

HI Guys & Girls,

I am in the process of finalising a venue in Rochdale (Junction 20 off M62) situated ear to Middleton, Manchester, Oldham, Bury and other suburbs of Greater Manchester in order to start a regular monthly Practice Group and Learning Centre.

I figure the cost would be no more than about £5 to £10 and if we get enough people we could have one month as meeting, practice and sharing and then the next month have a Good Name Speaker sharing new ideas with us etc.

If you live in these areas and would be interested in attending such a group, perhaps on First Monday or Tuesday evening of the month or even a Sunday afternoonthen please contact me on group@magicalguru.com and let me know your thoughts.

Cheers

Jonathan (Alex Smith) Royle
www.magicalguru.com

Hello to you all,
I am new to this group and am glad to have found you.
I come from Israel, the Tel Aviv area.
For the past 14 years I have been practicing NLP, Hypnosis and EFT, among other things.
I am a Certified Trainer of NLP, CCHT and Advanced practitioner of EFT.
I teach NLP and Coach with tools of NLP.
I have a small web site, which you are welcome to visit at:
NLP-IL
It is about Ericksonian Psychotherapy, Indirect Hypnosis & NLP.
Looking forward to meeting new and old friends and enjoying every moment of my stay here.
Wish you well...
Emil